TRUMP JUST DECLARE BAN ON SHARIA LAW. DO YOU SUPPORT THIS?

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  1. nodle

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    Trump Just Declare Ban On Sharia Law. Do You Support This?

    There’s been so much debate over Donald Trump’s statement that the U.S. should ban all Muslims attempting to enter the country. We are going to look at one major question: is it lawful?

    This is a Reality Check you won’t see anywhere else.

    “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.”

    That’s a statement from Trump explaining his plan to prevent terror attacks on U.S. soil—ban all Muslims from entering the country. This plan has been met with a lot of support from some, and condemned by others.

    “Do you know how to make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) told CNN.

    “We do not discriminate on people based on religion…,” Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson recently stated. “…never want to do that… have to be responsible… want to be Americans.”

    What Carson said there about not discriminating against people’s religion being part of the constitution, well, that is true for U.S. citizens. But that’s not what Trump said. He is talking about immigrants or people visiting from other countries. So citing freedom of religion doesn’t apply here.

    Still, the White House spokesman says this statement disqualifies Trump from the presidency.

    “What Donald Trump said yesterday, disqualifies him from serving as president,” said Josh Earnest, press secretary for the White House.

    But are those commentators and so called legal experts right? No, they’re not.


    Reality check here: a President Trump would have the power to ban certain people from entering the country.

    Under U.S. Code, the president does have the statutory authority to keep anyone out of the country, for any reason he thinks best. Per 8 USC §1182


    “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”

    Yes, the president has the authority to do exactly what trump is describing. And by the way, this kind of thing has happened before.

    In the late 1800s, Congress passed legislation broadly aimed at halting the immigration of Chinese laborers. Those were not fully repealed until 1943. Quotas limiting immigration based on race and national origin were also enacted in the early 1900s. Racial quotas were repealed in 1952, and those limiting people based on national origin were eliminated in 1965.

    So what you need to know is that when so many people are arguing about what a president legally can do, they are missing the point about what a president should do.

    Should we ban an entire group of people from entering the country based on their religious views?

    That is a debate a lot of people are having. But let’s consider this: remember that soundbite from Senator Graham calling Trump this:

    “He’s a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot.”

    You want a reality check? Senator Graham acts like he wants to stand up for Muslim immigrants coming to the United States. And yet, he has advocated for every military and drone bombing of Muslim people living in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan and called for it to happen in Iran as well—policies that have ended hundreds of thousands of Muslim lives.

    So a question for these enraged Republican candidates who want to make sure that we respect Muslims coming to the United States: are Muslim lives only valuable when they are on U.S. soil?

    http://www.usaevening.com/2017/01/26/trump-just-declare-ban-on-sharia-law-do-you-support-this/
     
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    How does one "ban" an idea?
     
  3. The_Phalanx

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    Nodle, you trying to troll here or have you really been drinking that much koolaid?
     
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    I am pretty sure sharia law was never part of us legal system
     
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    Leaving out the revisions that occurred just to prevent this sort of thing, it also goes against everything the united states of america is supposed to stand for.
    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
     
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    Someone call France, they need to get their statue back
     
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    Sharia law is the piece of work that gives the radicals the moral high ground when they kill their own Muslim kin for not being radical enough, or when they throw gays off of buildings, stone their wives on suspicion of adultery or when they expose their skin. People make the mistake of saying all religions are equal, but it's far from the truth. The truth is gross and ugly. Islam is an antithesis to western values and culture. Not the people themselves and those who subscribe to the belief, they really cant be blamed, but it's the scripture and the words it contains. It's a dangerous ideology and there's a damn good reason why the left is pushing it on the useful idiots who deem it necessary to protest. I cant believe liberal white women are screaming allahu akbar in the streets now. The left has become increasingly radicalized over the past 6 months and the shit could very well hit the fan soon. I just hope the right wing doesn't learn from them and the zealotry and patriotism isn't radicalized and turned into something just as bad as what the left has morphed into over the year. Turbulent times ahead.

    It's also worth noting that Trump's "Muslim ban" leaves out some of the most populous Muslim countries like India and Indonesia, Bangladesh, ect. He banned visas from terrorist hot spots, nothing more.
     
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    Like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.
     
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    Taking care of another country's poor before you take care of your own is nothing short of mental illness. There are 96 million Americans out of the work force. 10 million on food stamps. We are 20 trillion dollars in debt, half of it caused by Obama's executive actions and policies. If nothing is done, the engine will die out and we will be heading into a 3rd world nation within 20 years. There is idealism and then there is history and facts. The truth is the immigrants that came here 100 years ago broke their backs for the country. They were necessary for the growth and industrialization of the nation. And honestly, they were basically slaves. They lived 14 to a hovel and worked ludicrous hours, but they did so to fulfill themselves in a land of freedom that was not offered to them from where they came. The immigrants that come here now bleed the country dry largely due to the welfare state Obama has established. Most have no need to work and have everything handed to them via government programs. If you want Globalism, take a look at Germany. Yeah. I'm good.

    By the way, what you quoted isn't synonymous with the construction of the statue of liberty, but it was plastered there 20 years later in a fundraising effort to build an additional pedestal for the damn thing.
     
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    Trump actually did something very smart. He used Obama's laid out policy to curve the blows the radicalized left would surely deal. Not that it did much, but it was worth a shot. Hypocritical bunch.
     
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    "on December 18, 2015, the President signed into law the Consolidated Appropriations Act 2016, which includes the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (the Act). The Act, among other things, establishes new eligibility requirements for travel under the VWP. These new eligibility requirements do not bar travel to the United States. Instead, a traveler who does not meet the requirements must obtain a visa for travel to the United States, which generally includes an in-person interview at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate."

    Also Trump signed an executive order, Obama signed a bill. You know, bills have to go through House and Senate first. So to compare an executive order to what the legislature wants is retarded. You are just Trump fanboying.
     
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    Obama executive actions caused trillions of debt?

    Oh you mean the Mexicans that work shitty jobs that Americans won't? Besides there is no real welfare state in USA, just some scraps so you don't literally die on the street.
     
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    From 2009 until today, 9 trillion has been added to the national debt, and I don't think you can blame congress for it because they haven't done much of anything substantial on their own in a good while. That said, Obamacare is definitely the main culprit. The national debt is a bubble waiting to burst.

    I'm not talking about Mexicans, most of which are more hard working than you or I ever will be. Does that mean I think we should have open borders? I think that'd be foolish. We have enough problems. Also, it's very little known that Mexico has a wall on their southern border.

    That's not what I was talking about. Lol
     
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    Alright I'm still in a post BMQ haze, I'll try and seperate the anti conspiracy rant from the argument against the idea that moving from Syria suddenly means you lose the ability to do work. I'll do that at not 3 in the morning.
    Then do something for those poor! But in the mean time, offer the refugees a chance to make their lives better. You blame Obama for a 'welfare state' that would be 'bled dry'. News flash; the majority of those services aren't even available to new citizens, and most of them weren't established by Obama at all (and guess what, their are still better solutions than consigning people to death)! Frankly, for the vast majority of these people going somewhere where there is no threat of invasion is considered an enormous blessing. They in general, work hard (Harder than most citizens in fact) and ease the burden of a rapidly aging population. You talk about historical context, but there is absolutely no context for a superpower becoming a 'Third world nation' in 20 years. You aren't even using that word correctly; third world is a term used to refer to the East-West divide of the cold war, and in many cases didn't even really cover economic clout (in the traditional pol sci definition, Switzerland was a third world nation). Globalization has nothing to do with Germany and it's situation; the united states is in fact far more globalized than Germany, partly why they have so many issues integrating another cultural group. Once again you are using words you barely understand in an attempt to impress the world with your astounding intellect and mastery of the world to claim some form of tangible control and connection to a world you are just now, at this stage in your life, beginning to understand is truly chaotic and beyond the control of anyone. You are currently predicting something in a time frame that is literally longer than you have been alive. My sponsor had a quip that went something along the lines of "You cannot ever truly experience the past in the way you can experience the present. Every book you read, every site you dig will always be missing some sort of intricacy, and it gets the worse the further you get from it". So seriously, for your own future self's pride, I beg you to take a long hard time and think about your desire for seeing some kind of apocalyptic portent and conspiracy is. Is it genuine? Or are there other reasons you feel the need to pursue them.
    No, I quoted a poet who wrote the poem for that reason. You'd also know that the poem draws upon a much older theorems that Thomas Paine would put into words later, connecting the philosophical connection between greek democracy and justice and american republic and liberty.
     
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    I'd pick away at your argument here if it weren't almost entirely irrelevant to the point I'm actually trying to make that all of you seem to be avoiding. It's actually very simple and not conspiratorial in any respect. The answer only requires two questions and the rest of my argument is mostly conjecture of those facts. What is sharia law? And secondly, How many Muslims are in favor of it? I'd pick up the Quran and start reading kiddo.
     
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    How is that relevant to a discussion of bringing in refugees? But please, be more defensive. It helps your argumentative ground oh so very much.
     
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    That answer is even easier. How do we take care of other people when we can't take care of ourselves? The economy is in the shitter and the political dialogue has degenerated to the point of people from both sides accusing the other of racist bigotry, destroying their country, ect.

    Clearly the answer is bringing more people in, many of which support Sharia law and some of which are radical to a fault because our culture isn't in enough collective turmoil already. But you must be smarter than I am so clearly that wouldn't make any sense at all.

    Also I'm missing another important perspective. The US government bombed the shit out of many of the countries listed in the ban. That also creates a great deal of stigma, which is then directed upon the American people instead of the government itself. Look at the mass killings over the past year or so. How many of them were Muhammads? Trump is putting a bandaid on an injury that needs surgery and the left acts like there's never been a visa ban before, that it is without precedent. Sad thing is that it is largely the fault of our government and Arab Spring. Go look at pictures of Iraq in the 70s and see how far it has fallen.
     
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    I'd honestly go as far as to say the entirety of the refugee crisis was spawned by Arab Spring and Obama, Bushes, and the Clinton's horrendous foreign policy throughout the past 30-40 years. We destabilized the entire region to the benefit of no one but the US government and Israel.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_of_living_in_the_United_States

    Never claimed to be smarter. Just asked you to stop claiming you were. If they are at war with or considered enemies of Sharia law, why do you think that is?


    64% of mass violence attacks are committed by white men. Recent example:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38805163


    On this at least, we can more or less agree. However US foreign policy has been a result of the cold war more or less, and the destabilization stretches all the way back to the sykes picot agreement.

    Shouldn't the west clean up it's own mess then? (ABDeL we've had this argument before and we can have it again, but I'd just like to remind you that he brought up the crisis being the west's fault)
     
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    It also doesn't say to offer them welfare or not deport when a major crime is committed. I support open borders on principle but welfare state screws that up.

    nodle TRUMP HAS SAVED WESTERN CIVILIZATION
     
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