The Wiki-leaks DNC/Podesta emails you won't hear about from the MSM

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  1. M3rkabo

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    I don't think Trump is as bad as many have made him out to be. No one hated the guy until he ran for office.
     
  2. ABDeL

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    Reports say they were going to edit out billy bush's laughter to save him but someone leaked it before they could. That fact takes down your whole argument like a house of cards. The devil takes care of his own.
     
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    No, it really doesn't. NBC had recently found the tape and were preparing a story on it, but the raw footage was leaked to the WaPo. Are you surprised that NBC wanted to protect one of their employees and on-screen personalities? That has nothing to do with a democrats-media spanning conspiracy and everything to do with public relations.
     
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    Yes it does have everything to do with the liberal media. Trump worked for NBC for years and they knew about him being disgusting, they knew that he spoke inappropriately about women and they still kept them on because they work he was making the millions and he had the right opinions. Are you telling me they didn't know that he walked in on teenagers changing for their pageant shows? The Best Is Yet To Come my friend, this is just the beginning, but I'm arguing is that it's also an indictment of NBC that they did work with Trump for decades because he was making them millions and that his disgusting behavior didn't phase them at the time.
     
  5. M3rkabo

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    I'll queue that up. Yeah this election is total madness. A battle between two corrupt ego maniacs. Though I do think one is worse than the other, It really can't be denied that there are immense fallacies on both sides.
     
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    I agree that NBC would be legally liable to turn over the tapes if there was any criminal behavior.

    There should be a discussion to be had about when they chose to release the tapes. Are they releasing because they truly find these statements to be abhorrent? If so, why did they do business with him for over a decade? Why were they planning on editting the video to save Bush's reputation and only harm Trump's?

    Its simple, because they wanted to influence public opinion against Trump, not because they find his comments repulsive. Intent makes all the difference in the world and giving them a pass in this regard makes you an irresponsible media consumer. We should all hold our media to higher standards; this was the whole issue with gamergate. Only 6% of Americans trust the MSM and its games like these that reflect that number. For context, the media has a lower approval rating than congress.

    That being said, it is their prerogative as a private news organization, but this doesn't mean we should let them take us for a ride. We should speak out and let it be known that we're not going to be shepherded around like sheep, that we are aware of the media bias and we will vote with our dollars and our feet to strengthen the burgeoning alternative media that has done a much better job this election cycle than the Cable News Clinton propagandists.

    1. Donna Brazile told the Clinton campaign that she had some townhall questions from CNN’s upcoming event. According to you, Nothingburger.
    2. Hillary will expand the war in Syria with no-Fly zones and increased arming of the FSA. Nothingburger.
    3. Emails that indicated that FBI and DOJ employees were devastated that they failed to prosecute Hillary Clinton for obvious lawbreaking. Nothingburger.
    4. Leaks that Obama used a pseudonym to hide his association with Hillary's server, when he stated he wasn't aware of her server activities, which makes him an accessory to mishandling of classfied material. Nothingburger.
    5. Leaks that Democrats created fake Catholic organizations to create a “Catholic spring” and create a Christian crisis in the country. Nothingburger.
    6. Leaks that Hillary's State Dept fast-tracked USAID Haiti relief funds to "Friends of Bill" and side-tracked other organizations. Nothingburger.
    I never said there is a media conspiracy to make Trump look bad. There is definitely a media conspiracy to get Hillary elected, and the bias is undeniable. When it comes to Wikileaks October surprise comparison to NBC's leaked video, the difference is that Wikileaks announced in August that they would be dropping these leaks in October. 2 months vs 11 years? Is this your argument? After Bernie was cheated out of a fair shake, is this the defeatism that you've stooped to?

    I'm honestly offended by your comments that characterize me as right-wing tumblr. Both of these candidates are deeply flawed and I have stated that I'm voting for neither of them. Two things can be true at the same time; Trump can be a sick human being and Hillary can be a deeply corrupt individual. Assange has additionally said that the leaks will include material which he thinks should get Hillary indicted on some charge. To call these leaks nothingburgers is a display of cognitive dissonance and an admission on your part that you are simply OK with the way things are.

    Where's the Never Hillary movement thats remotely as strong as the NeverTrump movement? Have Democrats distanced themselves from Hillary given what she and her husband have been accused of? How dare you call me right-wing Tumblr when so many of your fellow liberals are towing the party line like sheep when the evidence stacked against Hillary doesn't come close to how bad Trump is.

    The media has been way easy to Trump as late as the primary election cycle for the very reason that he boosted ratings.

    We've had a profit driven media for generations and its only been this biased in the past 15 years, and blatantly, unabashedly and unapologetically biased in the past year. When it comes to profit-driven organizations and companies, they are free to spread their info the way they please, but it is our job as consumers to hold their feet to the fire. For example, there is a reason why when you go the grocery store things are labeled with "Non-GMO project" labels, because there are organizations that we trust that perform the vetting for us.

    Like I said earlier, two things can be true at the same time and I agree. Please don't think that me blasting the media's bias is me being pro-Trump. There is a serious problem with our media and it doesn't take a partisan to see it.
     
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  7. M3rkabo

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    ABDeL I took you for a democrat and while I disagree with you on a few things, Micheal Savage being one, I really respect that you look at things openly and with a bi partisan and objective perspective. Personally, I don't think Trump's past infidelities and indiscretions hold a candle to the pure, blatant corruption we're seeing in Washington right now. All of these allegations against Trump being reported are hypocritical when one considers the massive wikileaks dumps and the insincerity they illustrate. And considering that these liberal news organizations in the form of Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, Huffington Post, spend twice or in many cases three or four times the coverage on vulgar language he used 11 years ago but don't address the fact that Bill Clinton and the Clinton foundation in general recieved money on several different occasions from the Saudi government, where it's legal to rape and beat woman and cut off their genitals is pure asinine. It's also pretty damn convenient that this stuff comes up now, only four weeks from the election.
     
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    He was no longer a democrat and an active threat to the democrats by 2008. They also didn't realistically think he was going to run for president. It would have come out during birtherism.

    Yeah this is. This sort of thing happens at every level of election. Hell trump was under fire for something similar recently during an interview. I think we had a similar article about clinton v obama.

    Already knew she was a warhawk.

    This is a big deal, although because of reasonable doubt Obama could never be made an accessory. Why he went along with it is a bigger question.

    Just another bump in the mass gerrymandering road that partisan politics has created.

    Now this is the really big deal. If accusations of pay-to-play beforehand had been little more than rumours, this is actual tangible evidence of corruption.

    Fucking GMO paranoia. Anyway, it's always been this biased, just usually not so heavily on one candidate. Obama's 2008 campaign was more or less media sites entrenching in a camp. But back then, both candidates were politicians. FAR has only started really in the second half of the twentieth century. As for the friends of hillary and whatnot, in 2008 camp hillary was up in arms because of how biased things had been in favour of Obama.

    EDIT: Just reread my own post. In my defense, I'm running on shite for sleep right now.
     
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    Trump, apart from being crass and unfiltered, doesn't have the character required to be president. Additionally, he doesn't know what he's talking about and will be taken for a ride, the same way Bush was taken for a ride by Cheney. And what happened after 8 years of Bush? We got 8 years of Obama. And the Hillary we would've gotten 8 years ago would've been 100 times better, for the health of the country, than the Hillary we're getting today.

    I'm also hedging my bet on Trump losing because we're due for a recession soon and I would prefer not to have a Republican like Trump in office when it happens.

    If Cruz, Rubio, or really, any other Republican got nominated save for Trump, you'd be seeing a lot more focus on the issues, a fired up Republican base and Hillary and the media would be on the defensive, especially with Cruz. He has been preparing for the presidency from the day he was born, and none of these gaffes that Trump has would've been an issue with Cruz. He wouldn't even wear a cheese hat because he was worried it would sink his presidential chances like it did Dukkakis. Maybe Cruz has the wrong politics but to survive the MSM minefield, you need a person of strong character to make it through the gauntlet. Trump simply is not that person and a lot of people predicted this would happen months before Trump was nominated. Because we nominated Trump, we own him and his baggage and that puts us on the defensive. Even Podesta in leaked emails admitted that Hillary would struggle vs any other nominee save for Trump, and they were especially afraid of Rand Paul.

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    Very true. I think the American people got sick of politicians and that's whats lead to this current situation. I don't understand the hysterical support for Trump, but I understand even less the support for Clinton when I consider the policies herself and her husband were a part of and what they've done to the country and the economy.
     
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    Lies, damned lies, and nothingburgers.
     
  12. M3rkabo

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    You're right i forgot. it's all the Russians. they slander the clinton name. /sarcasm
     
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    THIS. X1000
     
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    Moved back to the TC because it's ABDeL's thread and I expect he can handle it being in his board.
     
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    I can't understand how someone would see Cruz as preferable to Trump. Just see the thread i made "why cruz is the best candidate"

    The whole election has been a disaster for the republicans, just look at all the clowns they brought for the nominies. How is it even possible not to have a single strong candidate.

    Mean while the democrats had Bernie. If only it wasn't rigged(i mean the way NY was incredibly unfair) you wouldn't be in this situation.
     
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    Polls showed every single Republican nominee defeating Hillary in the General, any of them except for Trump. Yes and this includes Cruz.

    Cruz is essentially the smart Republican's Trump. Trump stole all of Cruz's positions the way that Hillary stole Bernie's.
     
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    I don't think Cruz had a chance vs Hillary. Kasich or Rubio maybe. Cruz comes off as a crazy evangelical, and that's if you're willing to ignore the whole "abolish the IRS" crap he was spouting.
     
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    Dubhghall Compare this
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    With this:
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    Cruz would've had an uphill battle, but he had shown positive polling before the Republican national convention. Trump didn't start polling above Clinton until the convention. Additionally, Cruz knew the value of a data driven ground game, something Clinton is currently KILLING Trump on.

    You may not agree with Cruz's politics, but he's been preparing for this for his whole life.
     
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    Wow really? That's so so strange...

    The republican policies seems so backwards and ancient.
    People find personality and character more important than policies?

    Give us evil policies, just not crooked hillary!
     
  20. M3rkabo

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    Polls are garbage and extremely faulty. The silent majority will be the ones to decide this election.
     
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