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This is a step in the right direction, at least you guys are now willing to engage in real discourse. To be clear: I have no issue with the beer barrel being deleted, my big issue is the way it was carried out. It's fine, and was funny when dayne did it. But to double down just because the community was upset and then keep bouncing around is what I'm actually taking issue with.

 

I was told one of the points of the Patreon was that google ad revenue was no longer going to need to be an issue. I won't disclose the actual numbers but according to the info you guys post on Patreon the ad revenue is less than one diploguard patron. Nonetheless, it's not bad to have and this would've been good to open with as well, although it still seems like a shit way to go about this.

 

 

He likened you to a prohibitionist, but whatever. Because diplo already has an age gate just to get into the site and because your argument from the legality of minors viewing that thread was also dubious because that's set by Community Standard in US law, which has no bearing on the internet, the legality argument was dubious and frankly if porn sites can get away with simply an 18+ tag, so can the beer barrel.

 

The culture thing has been mentioned by you and feanor and I'm fine with that. That's a good reason. If we don't want those kinds of conversations and posts, I'm not adverse to restricting them. The US decided some time ago that porn wasn't protected speech and I'm in a way inclined to agree. At this point I'm now happy with the reasoning the Admins have provided, but this whole thing could've been avoided with a singular response and a little honesty about the why.

 

 

I already responded to the ad revenue, but the atmosphere argument is a more tangible argument which I'll get to in a second. As for the illegality, when a user does something illegal you don't try and stop them from posting in one place. You ban that user. In fact, Gracia, that same very day, was banned from the discord by CNiper for saying something one too many times.

 

The culture though, that's fine. If that's the diplo we want, then I'm happy. When the community raises issues though, it's important to deal with them effectively rather than bouncing from 3-4 arguments and descending into joking about your opposition. This really did look to me like there was an administrative mistake that got backpedaled on and then defended with half reasoning.

 

What I find meme-worthy is the handling itself. We've seen a whole lot of 'diplo will get shut down' arguments from the admins and a whole lot of money issues arguments which could either have been handled much more easily than what was done or aren't really as big issues as they once were. The culture of diplo argument is the only one I've seen that really holds water and I'm good with it, but to have opened with that would have been easier than using a bunch of fairly nonsensical arguments that the community ripped to shreds.

Fergus taking this to serious? Or posting to keep diplo alive?

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It was just kind of a cascade of events. We identified this thread a long time ago, the task was either to go through and delete all the content the Google Ads weren't jiving with, or delete the entire thread. We were kind of at an impasse with this decision, and it got swept under the rug. However it is a serious issue - Google did warn us that we could lose our ad and our ad revenue, however on our end we got the impression we're not exactly their #1 priority so hence the lax attitude towards it. Enter Gracia, "I'm going to post a pic of my panties". Now we all know Gracia and her shitposting capabilities. She's been banned multiple times but at her heart shes a good kid. @Dayne took a half-joking half-proactive measure and closed the thread. We weren't sure she was going to post, but we weren't not sure. Then its like, oh remember that debate we had earlier about moderating that thread or deleting it? Does anyone feel like going in page by page and removing all the content? No? Alright, then its deleted. The communication from us could have been a lot better, and I apologize for that. Our half joking half serious gesture wasn't understood as what we wanted it to be, which was just that - kind of a joke, for a joke thread. In the future if we have to delete any kind of content like this we will be serious and clearly state our reasoning.

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I was told one of the points of the Patreon was that google ad revenue was no longer going to need to be an issue. I won't disclose the actual numbers but according to the info you guys post on Patreon the ad revenue is less than one diploguard patron.

 

It still adds up, and through our efforts to get more eyes on Diplo, ad revenue will be more important as time goes along.

 

Because diplo already has an age gate just to get into the site and because your argument from the legality of minors viewing that thread was also dubious because that's set by Community Standard in US law, which has no bearing on the internet, the legality argument was dubious and frankly if porn sites can get away with simply an 18+ tag, so can the beer barrel.

 

We don't have an age gate setup but there is a way to set one up. I told Jimmy in one of the threads that I saw the closing of the thread as temporary. Setting up an age gate could be discussed but I think the effects would be more negative than positive.

 

The majority of admins believed that being associated with a white supremacist site, having there be an island of their site present and the NSFW material in the thread were all things that leaned more towards deletion than closing. We close/delete and moderate threads all the time, its only because Nodle brought attention to it that anybody cared. Part of being part of a forum is having trust in the admins and moderators to do a good job, and to have valid reasons for their actions. We've given the reasons, we've asked for feedback, we've engaged trolls with trolly answers and serious posts with serious answers but I think everyone on the admin side is pretty convinced that the beer barrel has to go for Diplo to grow the way we all want it to grow.

 

The culture thing has been mentioned by you and feanor and I'm fine with that. That's a good reason. If we don't want those kinds of conversations and posts, I'm not adverse to restricting them.

 

You know me as the first person to disagree with policing of posts or speech, however, our primary job as admins is to protect our brand. Having a stickied thread with thousands of posts that were essentially an island of a white-nationalist/supremacist site was hurting our brand. The last straw was a 14 year old girl posting a picture of herself in underwear. I think its safe to say that thread hasn't really presented Diplo in a positive light, or even in a fashion that is representative of Diplo.

 

That being said I have strong reservations about segregating users or creating special sections for users based on age. The only 2 segregated sections right now are the patreon section and the admin section, almost everything else can be viewed publically. And those 2 sections being closed off arent really a problem because there is a pipeline of ideas and projects that goes from the admin section to the patreons and lastly the larger community. There are multiple problems with this issue:

  1. We could bar under-18s from joining Diplo. This would have the adverse effect of reducing forum population.
  2. We could create over-18s sections. This would be pointless as everyone would lie about their age and the various sections would just be an organizational mess that was pointless to begin with.

Solution: No NSFW on the forum. No need for bureaucratic moderating and permission setting. No need to shield or age gate under-18s. Admins can focus on real tasks like growing the community instead of worrying about the home front (This is clearly NSFW but is it also bannable? dilemmas). Diplo's image is not tarnished by association with a white nationalist website.

 

Also fuck all of you who make it seem like its my job to administrate Diplo. I do it because I like to do it, because its fun. I volunteer my own time. The moment I can't troll and have to give serious responses to everything is the day I hang my shirt and quit. I am a diploer first and an admin second and I think I speak for all the admins when I say that.

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Delete the thread, whatever its the internet

 

Just dont give me this bullshit about gracia anymore fricking (this is a christian server) hell

she could say she was gonna post in in 300 different places

 

close LR slums

also random image thread

better lock introduction thread just in case too

perhaps even the entire warcraft section just to be safe

 

it's endless and dumb.

 

Stick with it going against diplo culture and rules.

But stop with this gracia nonsense.

 

 

edit:

I am a diploer first and an admin second and I think I speak for all the admins when I say that.

 

Feel free to be both, but when it's time to admin - be an admin, no more pussyfooting around with halfass reasons do it or dont.

Similar to way autism rating went imo

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Oh shit son. Serious when you step up to chump Beli level.

 

Seriously, I forgot you boys were trying to make bank from Google and not wanting to get flagged. What's the going rate now..2 cents a click?

 

Anyways, blows that TBB thread is gone. 6 years in the making, only to have the Beta males around this cemetery, delete it over one user being a dumb kunt. Punish everyone, because of one person's actions. Probably shouldn't care as much as i do, since I never come 'round this dump much anymore. Some good people here and a lot of worthless trash...

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The ad revenue is part of it but really I think the beer barrel was a teething stage for Diplo, it's just not something we want to be representative of our community any more. There are plenty of other places to find and share pornography on the internet, and there's plenty of other things to talk about on Diplo than just video games. Like politics, news, film, music, etc.

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Additionally the rule was always you have to post NSFW content inside NSFW tags...except in threads tagged NSFW.

 

Some of us are WORKING(ish)

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TBB thread was a testimony to a lot of things. Of a failed Forum Invasion, a breeding ground of sandy vaginas, a place for banter, a place for Fenfag to poast pics of everything pro-russian. Men were made and cowards were rejected.

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I already responded to the ad revenue, but the atmosphere argument is a more tangible argument which I'll get to in a second. As for the illegality, when a user does something illegal you don't try and stop them from posting in one place. You ban that user. In fact, Gracia, that same very day, was banned from the discord by CNiper for saying something one too many times.

 

The culture though, that's fine. If that's the diplo we want, then I'm happy. When the community raises issues though, it's important to deal with them effectively rather than bouncing from 3-4 arguments and descending into joking about your opposition. This really did look to me like there was an administrative mistake that got backpedaled on and then defended with half reasoning.

 

What I find meme-worthy is the handling itself. We've seen a whole lot of 'diplo will get shut down' arguments from the admins and a whole lot of money issues arguments which could either have been handled much more easily than what was done or aren't really as big issues as they once were. The culture of diplo argument is the only one I've seen that really holds water and I'm good with it, but to have opened with that would have been easier than using a bunch of fairly nonsensical arguments that the community ripped to shreds.

 

I guess this is why Feanor is still a mod.

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TBB thread was a testimony to a lot of things. Of a failed Forum Invasion, a breeding ground of sandy vaginas, a place for banter, a place for Fenfag to poast pics of everything pro-russian. Men were made and cowards were rejected.

 

Don't worry, I can post pro-Russian stuff anywhere.

 

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The greatest course of action is to delete the thread and ban Kim Jong Gracia, unless you want a barbarian """"teenager"""" to bring down the Roman Republic just by threatening whenever. Zero tolerance with these age smurfs.

 

Also, i take issue with not being able to tell Dayne to f*ck off in all it's splendor, so i'll just dedicate this to him:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id=VoHe3ipBEnw;t=30

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Do what every other forum on planet earth does. Have a NSFW section and move the thread there. Throw an age restriction on that shit and you're good to go. Delete any gracia related nudes. Don't let one person ruin the forums for the many. Have some gusto.

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Dear God its like half of the people who want to keep NSFW on diplo cant even read. Please go back and refer to all my posts in this thread and then talk, im not going to keep repeating myself.

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Dear God its like half of the people who want to keep NSFW on diplo cant even read. Please go back and refer to all my posts in this thread and then talk, im not going to keep repeating myself.

 

Yea but if they did that they'd have to stop pretending Admin Abuse.

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