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    Hawkr Bastard of Winterfell

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    The thread title is obviously work in progress, but it explains everything I want to do with this mini-blog.
    Before I start, spoilers, spoilers, book show, theories, every asoiaf book related spoilers, you've been warned.
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    Rant about Game of Thrones (Show) among other things (ASOIAF related) mini-blog
    Introduction:
    Some quick exposition before I start. I've read every book GRRM has released relating to the ASOIAF universe, except funnily enough The World of Ice and Fire (directly that is, I've heard, seen and read pieces from it, so I can say I indirectly read it).

    The point of this mini-blog is to primarily as the title says to rant about the show, which has in the last few seasons took a turn for the worst. And as I was a show first and then a book lover (after reading them), you may want to dispute me on some things I will write here, but please do that in a different thread which I will create specifically for discussing such things there. Past ranting about GoT, I will try to share theories I like and think are worthy of the spotlight; some of them might be tin-foil ones just to give you a quick look at how deep people go and maybe give you a giggle while reading one of them. Except those I might post some news that I find interesting related to GoT in general, and if this reaches that far I'll post reviews of S07 episodes as they come out.
    These are my goals for this blog, but they are not set in stone I might just post random facts or history about A Song of Ice and Fire if I see fit, as I will try to make this blog a daily thing.

    If you have any questions feel free to ask them in here: http://diplomunion.com/index.php?threads/ragotsaotasoiafrm-b.24539/


    And I leave you with two questions myself which I will try to do for each of these posts, an easy one:
    Who is Egg?
    and a hard one:
    What is the Song of Blood and Cheese?
    Kudos to anyone that answers to both, and any question that remains unanswered I will answer in the next post (that is tomorrows post).

    - Hawk
    Note: Admins if I could get this Featured that'd be great. Thanks.
     
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    Hawkr Bastard of Winterfell

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    Season 6 Rant:

    I'll start off the rant from the end, as it has the most fuck ups (in my view). I don't say that because they're missing a lot of plotlines, as that is only a byproduct of making a series you can only fit so many things in a hour long episode and make a profit out of it. The problem is that they messed up so many plotlines and just didn't follow the 'common' logic for which I loved the show and the reason it put itself above the rest. I won't follow any particiluar order while ranting about the season.

    Let's start off with Sam. I honestly think the show is fat shaming, because it took him exactly 11 episodes to reach from the Wall to the Citadel, sure he had a stop at Horn Hill. But Littlefinger got from the Vale to the Wall in one episode. That's just terrible writing in my opinion. They're just doing stuff because why the hell not, if they are going to skip time like that to advance the plot I would've (and many others) liked for everything to move at the same time. Because it just makes sense as it is a show, the books on the other hand are something different. Past that, he just walked from the end of the world to the other eating rations from the Wall and using only small number of coins to get just enough food, yet he's still fucking fat. And the fact that a year passed (at lesat) and the baby hasn't grown an inch.

    That's the time dealt with. Now we can move onto Randyll Tarly, who is suppose to be this ruthless head of the family who would kill his own son just to preserve the honor his family has. Yet when we meet him, at the dinner scene he is completely okay with his wife and daughter talking back to him, not to mention that he didn't even bother to send out anyone to find Sam and retrieve his family sword back. Like he got from Horn Hill to Oldtown and no one was even following him. So that character can go to the trash bin.

    One more small detail from this season, just to make the blog a bit longer. Ghost, as people like to joke he seems to be an actual ghost because he is no were to be seen in the Battle of the Bastards, which is a shame because a direwolf would do some kickass killing if he was present. And while we are at the Battle of the Bastards, the Giant could've gotten a weapon, like a branch or a smaller tree, but fuck logic.

    That will be all for today.

    Since Sender10 already answered the first, I won't explain it, but I'll leave a link if you want to know more about Aegon the V and I suggest that anyone who wants to know more about Egg and Ser Duncan the Tall should read the A Knight in the Seven Kingdoms.

    I will just add up on Ser_Fergus's answer. Yes Blood and Cheese are the two that murdered six-year-old Prince Jaehaerys, King Aegon II Targaryen's firstborn son and the heir to the Iron Throne. Which happened during the Dance of Dragons, they were sent by the Rogue Prince as to revenge the death of his wife's secondborn son Lucerys Velaryon. I won't go deeper into the Dance of Dragons but I do urge everyone that likes Game of Thrones (show or book) to read or watch about this, as it may be one of the next series announced by HBO.

    The next batch of questions:
    How did the Blackfyre family came to be?
    The Century of Blood was caused by?

    - Hawk
     
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    Hawkr Bastard of Winterfell

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    Season 6 pt. 2:

    Continuing from last post about Season 6, today I'll be dealing with succession. Primarily Jons, Sand Snakes and Cerseis gain of power and the illogicality behind them.

    Jon, even though I love the character book and show (obviously) his story arc in Season 6 is amazing right until the end. He's resurrected and realizes there is no life after death, only nothing. He executes the traitors and leaves the Night Watch (which technically makes him a traitor, but you could argue he technically died and now his 'watch has ended'), until Sansa arrives and after the Pink Letter he joins Sansa in taking back Winterfell. This is were it shows that he's tired, mopey and depressed; he doesn't recruit anyone, Davos, Tormund and Sansa do. He attacks even though he hadn't tried to recruit every lord in the North, tries to kill himself on the battlefield and shoots his battle plan in the leg, so acts pretty much suicidal. Only after he is faced with death he realizes that he doesn't want to die. Up until now this is a great story arc for Jon, he is a depressed and mopey protagonist that comes back from the 'dead' both figuratively and literally. But then a 10 year old girl persuades a bunch of old lords to make Jon the King in the North, and not only Northren lords but Vales too. The fucking logic behind this is laughable, because there is none. First off Sansa the only living (as far as everyone in the room knows) trueborn heir is right there, she is the widow of the previous Lord of Winterfell and she pretty much won the battle for them when she called LF with the Knights of the Vale. Not to mention why would Vale lords proclaim a bastard a King? They've won the battle pretty much it would make sense to proclaim Sweetrobin the King of the North and Vale. So the illogicality and terrible writing here is just mind boggling. The whole show is turning into 'look at this awesome moment (which doesn't actually make sense if you think about it)' to the next one.

    Now we turn to Cersei, who after blowing up the Sept of Baelor, which is the Vatican version for the people in Westeros, and a bunch of high birth nobles and lords isn't immediately killed by either the nobles or the common folk. Who by the way aren't somehow rioting for the lack of food and irrationally high prices of everything, which I guess is convenient for her as there is almost no garrison in Kings Landing. Now before I start about succession you need to understand this is a show that's based in a feudal system, where people are sexist and it's extremely rare for females to ascend to the throne. Before Cersei would even be considered as a Queen she would have had to killed whole family trees, because after Tommen's death his first cousin from Baratheon side would ascend the throne, this is the most likely scenario but you could spin it in a million ways and Cersei still wouldn't be even close to getting the crown.

    Last but not least (oh how I hope they would be) is the Sand Snakes and Ellaria Sand with the Dorne plot. I don't think nothing more would even have to be said. But lets jump right to it anyway, we see the Sand Snakes kill Areo and Doran to 'avenge' House Martell but killing House Martell to avenege House Martell, sounds just as stupid as it is if not even more. And it gets even better after the Sand Snakes who first off are all bastards and now kinslayers plus Ellaria who is only a 'girlfriend' to Doran somehow takes control of Dorne. I think someone needs to teach D&D what a feudal system is, so I understand them bribing the other guards or even getting the court in Sunspear to agree with them, but 80% of every other lord in Dorne? Like Dorne should at the very least be in a massive civil war now.
    I could go on and on about this but I don't think anybody out there is defending the logic of Dornish succession. But even beyond this the idiocy of the Dorne plot comes from a ridiculous effort to portray "strong women" which is ironically done in the least feminist way possible. Ellaria says "Dorne will never again be ruled by weak men", of course the whole idea of feminism is to criticize the power imbalance between men and women a power imbalance that too often leads to violence. Ellaria's criticism of Doran is just honestly offensive, she is bafflingly upset that the men in her life are not powerful or violent enough and she is somehow empowered by committing violence upon non violent men. Now the show could have simply made Ellaria as a violent person who happens to be female but nooo, the writers purposely made this a gender issue. "Dorne will never again be ruled by weak men" is a backward perplexing gender statement which makes me wonder if they're trying to be ironic. Not to mention the Sand Snakes then join Dany whose hand is a Lannister and who they should hate just as much as Cersei.
    So Dorne plot.

    One small thing as well, Olenna Tyrell is somehow leading Highgarden. This plot story makes just as much sense as Cerseis plot, for reasons stated above. But I did see in the trailer that Tarllys (historically Reache's vassals) men are fighting the Dothraki which might indicate not everyone is happy that the feudal system isn't followed.

    As no one answered the two questions from last time:
    House Blackfyre was founded by Daemon Blackfyre, a bastard son of Aegon IV Targaryen, after he was legitimized by his dying father in 184 AC. Daemon inverted the Targaryen arms for his coat of arms and named the house after the sword Blackfyre that his father gave him when he was twelve. The sword had been the personal weapon of the first Targaryen king, Aegon the Conqueror, and all his successors, which he thought gave him right to the Iron Throne, which in state triggered the First Blackfyre Rebellion.

    What followed the Doom of Valyria was struggle that lasted a century, the Century of Blood. I don't have time to go in deeper, but you can read more into it at the links I provided.
    Which reminds me if anyone wants me to go deeper into any period or specific in the World of Ice and Fire you can just post it in the thread or PM me and I'll see what I can dig up.

    Areo Hotah is from where?
    How did Kings Landing get its name?

    - Hawk

     
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    Hawkr Bastard of Winterfell

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    Season 6 pt. 3:

    Do forgive for my hiatus off this blog. But university and mostly my laziness stopped me from doing it, and I do have to say I didn't really have the inspiration, but after rewatching the whole series that drive is definitely back.
    Now lets deal with another major plotline in the series, Arya.

    Lets start from the beginning, good start from S1. I liked the resemablance she has with Lyanna Stark and going against the way of becoming a lady. And her ned/jon relationships are really well fleshed out. Syrio Forel is one of my favorite characters in the show, which without Arya wouldn't have happened. After that Hot Pie, Gendry companionship was quite amusing to watch, they were quite interesting and actually had a humoristic side, that was added to the show quite well. I have to say that I especially adored the Tywin scenes, which aren't in the books and unlike many other things I actually prefer it this way. Then comes the Hound and let's be honest we all loved their adventures. Clegane Fried Chicken all the way.
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    Now onto the Bravos plot. It could've been so good, this arc if they actually followed it to the end. But no they had to pull out one of their 'look at this cool ass moment' scene. 'I am Arya Stark of Winterfell...' bla bla.
    But to get to that, we had to kill Arya multiple times.

    • Getting stabbed multiple times in the gut/ DEAD
    • Jumping into muddy water where people shit and piss, infection. /DEAD
    • Somehow getting to the play and hiding yourself only to wait for that lady to come and help you. Bled out. /DEAD
    • Infection still not killing her./DEAD
    • Jumping from the balcony and not breaking a lag or stiches and bleeding out./DEAD
    • Running for a solid time and not getting caught by the waif./DEAD
    • Killing the waif somehow even though you're bleeding and then getting to the house of undying, without bleeding to death./DEAD
    So yes Arya has died quite a lot of times to get to this moment, only to do it again and somehow kill Freys sons and bake them into a literal fucking pie without anyones help and without being noticed. And before I forget Jaqen spent resources into this girl to make her an assassin even letting her ruin 2 contracts for the Faceless men (and they don't fuckin' fuck up their contracts (almost ever)) only to smile when he lets go? A ruined character, she had such good scenes only to be destroyed at the very ending.
    I do have to note there is actually a theory among show fans that Arya actually died and that the Waif took over her identity, hence the reason of Jaqen H'gar smiling as she leaves, unfortunately probably not true, but a boy can hope.

    Watching S6E7 also reminded me of how much I hate the choices D&D take regarding old warriors of Westeros. Byrnden Bloody Blackfish killed off screen? Like he had no reason to stay at Riverrun, he had all the chances to go and help her niece, which honestly book Brynden would've likely done. I could've gotten over that but not showing this famous knight at least die properly while taking a few lannisters men lives with him is shameful. Same goes for Areo Hotah, one bloody knife and he's fucking dead? Again shameful, it would've made the Dorne plot at least bittersweet. Barristan as well, this arc was so well made a old knight retrubition, best knight in the world killed off by a bunch of plebs with knives, his arc killed off in such a stupid manner if he at least died protecting her Queen. Honorable mentions to GreatJon Umber and Mance Raider. All of these great warriors of Westeros are still alive in the books, thank GRRM for that.

    Areo Hotah is from Norvos, a free city on Essos.

    Kings Landing is named after Aegon the Counqeror as he had 'landed' there from Dragonstone when he started his war to create the Seven Kingdoms, and built his first fort which eventually developed into a town.

    Who's Marywn?
    How did House Lannister get its name?

    - Hawk
     
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